Michelle and Barack Obama don’t handle their marriage on their own; they seek guidance from well-known “mentors”—Bruce Springsteen and his wife, Patti Scialfa.

Michelle, 61, praised their long-lasting relationship during her “IMO” podcast, highlighting how Springsteen’s partnership serves as a role model for her and Barack.

She expressed admiration, saying, “I marvel at you and Patti and the work you’ve done. You’ve been couple mentors for us over time.”

Michelle added that Springsteen, 75, and Scialfa, 71, are “powerhouses in their own right,” and praised their ability to keep “the lines of communication open” in their marriage.

“She and the musician look up to Bruce and Patti, and I’ve learned a lot from them,” Michelle remarked. “Watching them, we gain advice on maintaining strong communication.”

Michelle and Barack celebrated 32 years of marriage last year. Barack shared on Instagram, “I couldn’t have asked for a better partner and friend to share life with.”

Despite recent rumors of a breakup and false allegations involving infidelity, the couple remains together and affectionate, as seen in recent photos and public appearances.

Michelle has also spoken openly about her marriage, mentioning she sometimes calls out Barack for “not doing enough” with their daughters, Sasha and Malia. She jokes that her “trick” is singing Harry Chapin’s “Cats in the Cradle” to remind him how quickly time passes with their kids.

Through it all, Michelle emphasizes authentic communication and mutual support, drawing on her mentors’ example to strengthen her marriage.